From Hansard
Asked By Lord Ashley of Stoke
To ask Her Majesty’s Government which elements of disability benefit they are considering integrating into the wider social care budget in England.
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Communities and Local Government & Department for Work and Pensions (Lord McKenzie of Luton): My Lords, the Green Paper, Shaping the Future of Care Together, proposed that one way to deal with the challenge of an ageing society may be to bring some disability benefits and the new care and support system together into a single system as a better way of providing support. At this stage, we do not want to rule out any options and so are considering all disability benefits.
Lord Ashley of Stoke: I thank my noble friend for that reply. Is he aware that any attempt by the Government to withdraw these benefits, or any benefits at all, will be very strongly resisted by disabled people, by their organisations and by many Members of both Houses of Parliament?
Lord McKenzie of Luton: My Lords, I reiterate that no decision has been made on this matter—it is a consultation—and I acknowledge the benefit that many disabled people see in the current benefit structure, particularly DLA and attendance allowance. However, there is a case for bringing some disability benefits and the adult social care system together to provide better support through a new national care service. We should remember that the social care system and disability benefit system have in many ways developed in isolation from each other—they are separately assessed and have separate applications—and there may be benefits for individuals in bringing them together. However, we have made clear in the Green Paper that should we make a change in this direction, individuals receiving the relevant benefits at the time of the reform will continue to receive an equivalent level of support and protection.
Perhaps I may illustrate the nature of the challenge that we face. There are currently 1.26 million adults who get their care and support needs addressed. Over the next 20 years, 1.7 million more adults will need to be supported. Currently, 20 per cent of cases cost less than £1,000 a year and 20 per cent cost more than £50,000 a year.
And later on in the debate Lord McKenzie reiterates, My Lords, as I said in answer to the first Question, currently no particular benefit is ruled out of consideration.
Now cast your minds back when CPAG and other disability rights organisations asked the government whether DLA was under threat that led to Care Services Minster Phil Hope stating:
All the models that we have done have not included DLA … DLA is not under threat and people can be very happy …
So much for Phil Hope’s assurances, it also shows you can’t trust what comes out their collective mouths. Who’d have thunk it?
Just who is to be believed?